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Moot Point vs. Mute Point

moot point

You may have heard coworkers or acquaintances refer to an inconsequential or irrelevant point as a moot point, or maybe you’ve heard mute point instead. Fans of the TV show Friends may have heard a third variation: moo point (because, according to Joey, a cow’s opinion doesn’t matter). But which expression is correct, and what exactly does it mean?

The correct phrase is moot point. A moot point can be either an issue open for debate, or a matter of no practical value or importance because it’s hypothetical. The latter is more common in modern American English. The term comes from British law where it describes a hypothetical point of discussion used as teaching exercise for law students. This finds its roots in an early noun sense of moot: “an assembly of the people in early England exercising political, administrative, and judicial powers.”

The word mute means “silent; refraining from speech or utterance,” and the pairing mute point has no canonized meaning in standard English. However, it’s easy to imagine how this mistake might make sense in some contexts, and perhaps that’s why it’s so frequently confused with moot point. In a book of wordplay called Wordbirds: An Irreverent Lexicon for the 21st Century, Liesl Schillinger humorously defines a mute point as follows: “When somebody in a group makes a good suggestion, but somehow nobody hears it.” In a similar vein, Urban Dictionary defines it as “addressing the participants of a conference call while your phone is on mute.”

As for moo point, Joey may be waiting until the cows come home for this creative coinage to catch on.

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113 Comments

  1. Submariner -  October 7, 2016 - 12:29 pm

    Can’t help but feel that the “hypothetical point of discussion” from British Law is off, and must be someone’s ‘royal’ ;-} struggle to find a European root for this expression. I’ve never once heard it used to denote something’s arguability.
    “Moot” comes from the Hebrew /mut/ which means “dead” and the expression “moot point” describes something which is no longer relevant (no longer up for discussion) because of some fact or event that has arisen.
    “Well it seems taking you out for a lunch date is a moot point since you’ve just returned from lunch with What’s-His-Face!”

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    • Mark -  October 13, 2016 - 9:47 pm

      I am pretty sure the etymology given in the article is correct. In law school, students often have to participate “moot court” proceedings, which are basically artificial trials staged for educational purposes. The phrase “moot point” obviously originated with this same word (“moot”) but its use spread beyond the narrow jargon of the legal profession.
      I don’t think the Hebrew term is related, unless perhaps it’s an even older root for the English “moot”. But this is unlikely, since most English legal terms come from either Old English, or (more often) French or Latin.

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    • Chris -  October 18, 2016 - 7:14 am

      As a British law student I can confirm we stand around in the woods talking to the trees and the occasional hobbit. We do therefore partake in moots.

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    • Maggie -  December 7, 2016 - 9:26 am

      I thought a moot was a water filled trench around a castle. Hypothetically, someone could throw a mute in a moot and it would be considered a mute point for the mute to call out for help or would that be a moot point? I’m confused.

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  2. Rich Radford -  May 24, 2016 - 11:36 am

    There is a larger issue of an ill-educated population that seems habitually to use words that sound vaguely similar to words that actually convey the desired meanings: militate, mitigate; eminent, imminent; and so many more. If it sounds close, it’s close enough, right?

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    • Rick yerly -  June 9, 2016 - 12:45 pm

      I thought it was a moo point like a cows opinion nobody cares

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      • Page -  June 14, 2016 - 4:21 pm

        OMG. I never had the misunderstanding of the phrase but I do share the same reasoning w a lot of other things lol

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      • Kat -  September 19, 2016 - 7:08 am

        hahahaha. to quote Joey from F.R.I.E.N.D.S

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      • Patrick28 -  October 3, 2016 - 5:36 am

        I believe the confusion started with how the QED phrase was variously interpreted in English:
        “Which has already been disputed and settled” OR
        “Which is yet to be disputed.”

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        • Michael -  October 7, 2016 - 11:37 am

          QED aka quod erat demonstrandum = that which was to be proven or demonstrated

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    • Uwe -  June 16, 2016 - 1:05 pm

      If it sounds rite, there words (or is it “they’re words…”?) must be rite.

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      • Lisa Benson -  October 26, 2016 - 4:03 am

        LMAO! It’s wrong both ways! It’s their , as in belonging to, there is a place and they’re is they are hyphenated. Also it is not “rite” it’s right, as in correct .

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    • RJA -  June 17, 2016 - 6:32 pm

      Wouldn’t a “mute” point be one that goes without saying?

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    • Charles Harwood -  August 3, 2016 - 11:11 am

      I guess that’s why Richard Brinsley Sheridan created the character Mrs Maleprop. But I do like the idea that it is addressing people with one’s phone on mute

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    • Irn -  September 29, 2016 - 6:49 am

      I dont now

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  3. Al -  December 18, 2015 - 3:02 am

    I often hear people say”anyways” (putting an extra s after anyway, which I find annoying. Is this correct?

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    • John Smith -  March 4, 2016 - 8:58 pm

      According to grammar websites, adding an ‘s’ to adverbs is usually the British version (anyways, backwards, forwards), whereas in America, it would have no ‘s’ (anyway, backward, forward, etc.). :D

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      • Jerry Engelbach -  June 14, 2016 - 4:19 am

        “Backward” means uneducated.

        “Backwards” means directed towards the rear.

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    • Wife -  March 8, 2016 - 7:52 pm

      Only if they’re talking like golem.

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  4. Al -  December 18, 2015 - 2:59 am

    I hear people saying “anyways” putting an extra s after the word anyway which I find annoying. Is the practice correct?

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  5. LIsa -  December 16, 2015 - 1:10 pm

    Joey’s definition makes me want to go play the online game of “Cow Evolution” Ha Ha.

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    • i -  March 4, 2016 - 11:44 am

      lol i love dat game

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    • bob -  May 16, 2016 - 11:31 am

      lol

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  6. icequeenxoxo -  November 19, 2015 - 2:00 pm

    rofl

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  7. Nouble Digger -  August 20, 2015 - 6:45 am

    While I do feel a little educated, reading a definition from Urban Dictionary in a supposedly serious article makes me want to use another online dictionary.

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    • PRN.Publishing -  September 22, 2015 - 3:45 pm

      I agree wholeheartedly. Pleonastic tautology for the masses.

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      • IdiotPLZ -  October 5, 2015 - 7:43 pm

        Lol what an idiot.

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        • bob -  May 16, 2016 - 11:32 am

          lol
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      • Erik -  May 3, 2016 - 4:28 pm

        As opposed to elitist and needlessly erudite?

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    • P. Sipw -  December 28, 2015 - 8:54 am

      Please read the article carefully. The article moves to address fanciful definitions of the misnomer “mute point”, so the reference to the Urban Dictionary is fully justified. Please pay attention to the context.

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      • John Smith -  March 4, 2016 - 9:00 pm

        I fully agree, it is to emphasize how silly using ‘mute point’ is :D

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    • Erik -  May 3, 2016 - 4:26 pm

      Then you should get better at reading for context. “Liesl Schillinger *humorously* defines a mute point as follows… *In a similar vein*, Urban Dictionary defines it…”. It is obvious from context that this is given as a joke, and not a source.

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  8. Art -  July 4, 2015 - 10:30 am

    The way that this is stated, suggests that all hypotheses have no value, which simply isn’t true. A moot point is generally regarded as an argument remains inconclusive, and because their can be no definitive conclusion about it, it does not serve the end of resolving an issue.

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    • Billy Gunn -  October 26, 2015 - 6:14 am

      That’s exactly what I deemed the meaning to be.

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    • Hughert -  October 27, 2015 - 12:03 pm

      A question fitting the “issue open for debate” meaning might be “Are there aliens on other planets that will try to invade Earth?”

      A question fitting the “matter of no practical value or importance because it’s hypothetical” meaning might be “If Romulans try to invade Earth will the Klingons stop them?”

      The first question is a debate about a genuine hypothesis, i.e. the possible existence of alien lifeforms with malicious intentions.

      The second question is a debate about an irrelevant hypothesis, Romulans & Klingons are fictional; even if real aliens do exist, Romulans & Klingons are not real aliens, they’re human actors wearing make-up on TV.

      Not all hypotheses are irrelevant, but the meaning of “moot ponit” is conveyed by the context of the hypothesis being called a “moot point”; is it a debatable hypothesis or an irrelevant hypothesis?

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      • Jasmin -  March 21, 2016 - 5:57 am

        With respect. How do you know Romulans & Klingons are fictional. Can you provide any empirical evidence that their is not an alien species who call themselves or are refereed to by others as Klingon.

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        • Ford Prefect -  November 16, 2016 - 12:16 pm

          Given my extensive travels throughout the universe (and time) there has never been a race not native to earth (they are only aliens when visiting other planets) that call themselves Klingons or Romulans. There was one race that thought about calling themselves Vulcans, but then someone stumbled across an episode of the original Star Trek and decided on something more intelligent.

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    • ShadyJ -  December 23, 2015 - 5:15 pm

      “and because their can be”
      It serves the purpose to everyone that understands the difference between there and their.

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    • Norma Perez -  September 30, 2016 - 10:28 am

      “and because their can”: it should be “there” instead of “their” eh?

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  9. "BIG" D.T. -  June 17, 2015 - 7:31 pm

    How about a “Smoot” point, which is approximately 67 inches, or 1.7 metres (for our European friends), from a relative position. OR, an interesting fact about the Big Bang Theory by an even more interesting astrophysicist.
    Just thought I’d share.

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    • Kristen LM -  June 19, 2015 - 6:16 am

      You’ve won my morning with that one.

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    • Kim -  July 15, 2015 - 11:16 am

      Smoot point… I love it. BTW, George Smoot is credited with contributing the physicist joke Penny told in the BBT.

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      • Paul -  November 2, 2015 - 12:53 pm

        The “Smoot” as a unit of measure was named for George’s cousin, Oliver R. Smoot, who later served as the chairman of the American National Standards Institute.

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        • John Smith -  March 4, 2016 - 9:01 pm

          ahahah sure got us on that one ;)

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  10. Ramesh.A.N -  June 17, 2015 - 2:09 am

    Hi all….

    I’m new to this site..eager to learn new words.
    Keep posting…

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    • Lily.w.j -  June 18, 2015 - 9:17 am

      This site helps me so much!;):)

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      • Lily.w.j -  June 18, 2015 - 9:18 am

        I love learning new words to!

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    • emie -  October 19, 2015 - 5:57 am

      i love new words

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  11. Serene -  June 17, 2015 - 12:48 am

    Hi~

    Just wanted to pop in and mention that this is one of the few ambigious words I’ve thrown out of daily usage due to the two meanings that go in different directions!

    I.e.
    1. open for debate, from law students doing ‘moot courts’
    –> This point is moot. (Hence, let us debate it now! ..or later :/ )

    2. irrelevant; inconsequential
    –> This point is moot. (It is absolutely clear to everyone here that this is irrelevant, let us not indulge in this silly debate.)

    I do realise that most people use it with the second meaning, although I (internally) always wonder if they in actual fact, do want me to play devil’s advocate…. ;)

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    • Mr S -  June 29, 2015 - 5:48 am

      The real difference between a moot point and a mute point is that you cannot hear the latter, for example “it was a moot point whether we could really afford that rocket”, as opposed to “this noise is killing my ears, I need a mute point”
      it is helpful to remember the difference between moot [proposed or up for discussion], as opposed to mute [not emitting sound, silent or quite].

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  12. Jenna -  June 16, 2015 - 6:06 pm

    How about my coworker saying golf was slow and he didn’t think he would enjoy playing it because he was a “hyper”chondriac..
    OMG.

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  13. Christina -  June 16, 2015 - 12:55 pm

    Thank you for including Joey’s interpretation and understanding in the article on “moot point” :-) I thought of him right away!

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  14. Fi -  June 15, 2015 - 8:52 pm

    I need help on the word “mayhem”. I was pulled up by a friend who told me in front of a group of people that I was prouncing the word incorrectly…. I have always said “may-HAM”. My mother taught me to sound it out as may-ham. If i say may..hem…it doesnt sound right.
    Tell me what is correct.
    and another thing…my mother corrected two solictors that grimace is sounded like grimm and then Aced. the men said no thats wrong, it pronounced grimist and once they looked it up in their dictionaries, they apologised to her, and said YOU KNOW YOU ARE RIGHT. grim-maced saying the aced part as in ace in a deck of cards. not saying the word as grimm-ist like list.

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    • Dan -  June 16, 2015 - 1:26 pm

      It’s may-hem or may-um. But not may-ham.

      Since you’re on dictionary.com, you might try searching for a word and discovering how it should be pronounced — it will be listed underneath the word. There often is a sound file you can click on as well.

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    • John Smith -  March 4, 2016 - 9:07 pm

      With all due respect, I have never heard such unusual pronunciations. It is of my understanding such that they are pronounced “MAY-hem” and ‘GRIM-iss”.
      That is just my $0.02. :P

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  15. Kit -  June 2, 2015 - 7:25 am

    I broke up with a guy once because he said he “brought” something at the store instead of “bought”. He could not be broken of this misuse and it became embarrassing. That may make me a shallow jerk, but it drove me cray-cray .

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    • bill smith -  June 8, 2015 - 12:44 pm

      You sound cray-cray!

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      • Mr S -  June 16, 2015 - 1:30 am

        what does ‘cray-cray’ mean? I’m from the U.K. and am not familiar with U.S. slang

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      • Mr S -  June 16, 2015 - 1:33 am

        what does ‘cray-cray’ mean?, I ask as I’m from the U.K. and am not versed in U.S. slang

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        • Some American Dude -  June 16, 2015 - 11:21 am

          “Cray-cray” in U.S slang simply means “crazy.”

          People tried to shorten “crazy” into just “cray.”

          But since Americans didn’t feel silly enough just saying it once, they turned it into a doubled word, thinking that “cray-cray” might be easier to understand as “crazy.”

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          • Chay-z -  June 16, 2015 - 2:53 pm

            “Some American Dude” said, [snip]…“cray-cray” might be easier to understand as “crazy.”

            As long as we’re getting picky, this error is a pet peeve. We seem to have forgotten some of the basic rules of sentence construction. In this quote, ‘as’ should be ‘than’. Another which is similar is, take/took vs bring/brought. There are others but my brain injury gets in the way at the most inopportune times. And, “Some … Dude”, likely yours was an error in proofing but, it did open the door for one of my favorite mistakes so, I aired it at your expense – sincerest apologies if I stepped on your toes!

          • Mr S -  June 29, 2015 - 5:51 am

            I thank you for this little clarification. now that won’t be an annoyance any more.

    • Cherie -  June 15, 2015 - 9:31 am

      I get that Kit. I once loved a man that said acrosst in place of across.

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    • Frank -  June 15, 2015 - 3:10 pm

      Kit, you did absolutely the right thing. I recently had a boss that would always use the not-word “irregardless” whenever he was angry. Knowing that your boss is an idiot is rather demotivational; I had to leave. In your situation, I can only imagine it being much worse!

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      • Carin -  June 16, 2015 - 8:21 am

        I mean no disrespect Frank, but demotivational isn’t a word either. ;-) However, if people start using it, it will eventually end up in the dictionary like ain’t. Hearing that “word” is like nails on a chalkboard to me. LOL.

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    • Kim -  July 15, 2015 - 11:34 am

      I finally got my husband to stop saying gyrate for gravitate… talk about embarrassing. He would say “everyone gyrates toward the kitchen at parties.” I still laugh at the thought of everyone gyrating towards the kitchen. He thinks it’s funny now too.

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    • Lisa -  September 24, 2015 - 10:40 pm

      Kit, I love it! I feel your pain. I’m glad to be rid of my ex-husband and his butchering of more words than you can imagine. In fact, what brought me here was a text to me from his “woman” in which she said “mute point.” They make a perfect pair of idiots. LMAO

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  16. Apoorva -  May 5, 2015 - 11:07 pm

    Would someone use “moot point” in a sentence for me?

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    • Garay -  May 25, 2015 - 4:49 am

      It’s probably a moot point that has no bearing on the discussion at hand

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    • Connie Oeser -  May 27, 2015 - 6:59 pm

      To come up with an example sentence now would be a moot point, since the next new word definition has already been introduced and no one is still thinking about the meaning of this word any more. Lol

      Lame answer but it still seems fitting today .

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    • thestalkinghorse -  December 29, 2015 - 12:19 pm

      I had always wrestled in my mind with this thought: Would it be worth it to save up the money to fly just once on the SST, even though it’s a lot more expensive than regular airfare? Anyway, I never did and now the SST is out of service, so the point is moot.

      Acceptable?

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  17. kyle -  April 16, 2015 - 7:26 am

    i am a new member what do i do on these?

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    • Apoorva -  May 5, 2015 - 11:05 pm

      This just helps you with the usage of these daily use terms…

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  18. Laurara Monique -  April 14, 2015 - 6:25 pm

    I’ve had this conversation with my family A MILLION TIMES all because of the TV series FRIENDS. Excellent explanation here, I was actually able to forward this on to a few of my siblings and relatives! Thanks again!

    Best,

    Laurara Monique

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  19. Andres Rieloff -  April 8, 2015 - 5:50 am

    Here’s a portmanteau: ” Ignoarrogant” – the combination of ” ignorance and arrogance ” -Someone who is not only ignorant but arrogant about it to boot, someone who suffers from this. I came up with it. Example: American versus Usonian. American, a citizen of any country in America, Usonian a citizen of Usona. AMERICA is a continent not a country, Usona= U nited S tates O f N north A merica, a country within the american continent. Politically correct. Tell me it is not so / isn’t / ain’t SO.

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    • Frank Casale -  April 10, 2015 - 5:48 am

      Andres, Where did you acquire this information? What was the name of the website(s)? There’s only two web sites I know of; internetslang.com and FOLDOC. com.
      If you can recommend some other web sites, I’d welcome them.
      The reason for asking is because I looked up the term ‘Ignoarrogance’ on the aforementioned websites- to no avail!

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    • John Gilhooly -  April 10, 2015 - 10:28 am

      Well Andres et al I like mine – Don’t hang back on the side lines, roll up your sleeves and join in – “Get stuckinvolved” – the combination of :

      Get stuck in and Get involved – Get StuckInvolved!

      Maybe it’s creative, motivational, energising and just a bit funny.

      If people are smiling and amused they just might help you with what you’ve suggested.

      Maybe it’s just funny/eccentric but so what.

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      • John Gilhooly -  April 10, 2015 - 10:33 am

        Daughter came up with this one :

        “HungOt.”

        The combination of Hungry and Hot

        I’m feeling hungry and hot too (or to boot) say in the car.

        God she just added this

        “Bever”

        meaning Best Ever, It’s Beva!

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      • Frank Casale -  April 13, 2015 - 8:10 am

        ‘Mind your slanguage, and don’t be an erk’- The Guardian.

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    • Yajaira Tapia -  June 15, 2015 - 1:02 pm

      Andres,

      We meet again!!!

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  20. Davehangsdoors -  April 6, 2015 - 5:17 pm

    Seems to me that the entire English language as we speak it is comprised of mispoken words and phrases which have passed through the generations and melded into what linguists call “Canonized Standard English”. In five generations, 100 years or so, I think the point will be mute.

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    • Cameron -  September 20, 2015 - 2:54 pm

      Moot*

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      • qt -  September 12, 2016 - 5:00 pm

        No, it’s “moo”, son. XD

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  21. ttver20 awesome! -  April 4, 2015 - 3:49 pm

    Duh it’s ok to say somethin wrong. But you one cray-cray, baby.

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    • Frank Casale -  April 10, 2015 - 9:17 am

      For those of you keeping score, ‘craycray’ is internet slang for really crazy!

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  22. Frank -  April 3, 2015 - 7:02 pm

    What ever it is, i understood it.

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  23. Ellen -  April 2, 2015 - 3:12 pm

    I’d always understood “moot” to mean arguable, though the other meaning, irrelevant, has come to be accepted through usage, which may also be moot.

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    • Jim k -  April 9, 2015 - 8:18 am

      I have always understood it to mean argueable, but you can argue about it till the cows come home, and it still won’t change any thing.
      As in arguing about where we SHOULD go to dinner yesterday, even though we already went.

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  24. Professor Bill -  April 2, 2015 - 1:39 pm

    Because the buttons on one’s TV remote control box stick up, one might call each button a “point.” Then the mute point would be a mechanism to silence the TV.

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    • Frances -  June 17, 2015 - 7:47 am

      ‘Moot point’ was a term I heard often when I worked for a real estate attorney who wanted to be very precise when writing documents for particular transactions, e.g, escrow agreements, deeds, mortgages, and such. This often required endless editing until he got it just right and everyone could agree and finally sign said document(s).

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    • Frances -  June 17, 2015 - 7:48 am

      Love this comment.

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      • Frances -  June 17, 2015 - 7:50 am

        Regarding the “Love this comment.” comment, I was referring to the TV remote one by Prof. Bill.

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  25. NancyMiami -  April 2, 2015 - 1:09 pm

    Mute point is typical of how so many Americans have descended into near illiteracy. I am amazed at the things I hear people say.

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    • Stefano -  April 24, 2015 - 1:52 am

      You are all right. Thank you for regarding our behaviour.

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    • Pagan Twylight -  June 15, 2015 - 11:41 am

      I sometimes think it is more a matter of mishearing a word and then, because one doesn’t hear it or use it often, continuing to misuse it. If no one tells you you’re wrong, you can’t change it. Mute and moot, depending on your accent and pronunciation, can sound very much alike. As my hearing has declined, I’ve become even more aware of how easily one word can become mistaken for another.

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  26. Ricky Forguson -  April 2, 2015 - 1:02 pm

    You could be doing this for years if you plan on addressing every English malapropism that comes down the pike. Archie Bunker alone could fill a year’s worth………

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    • Frank Casale -  April 10, 2015 - 9:28 am

      Actor Carroll O’Connor was totally opposite from his character Archie Bunker. O’Connor was a member of Sigma Phi Epsilon- an academic fraternity.

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  27. Dlm -  April 2, 2015 - 11:18 am

    For dlj. Yes it’s a common mistake-not the end of the world to be sure. However, there are people who appreciate being informed. Personally, I find myself puzzled by professional folks who cant be bothered using the proper words. Doesn’t instill much confidence in their capabilities. So you see, it isn’t a moot point for some.. Just saying.

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  28. David Lloyd-Jones -  April 1, 2015 - 9:16 am

    Why the hesitancy? “Mute point” is an illiteracy, a creation of people who have outrun their vocabularies. It’s a common kind of error, and I’ve done it often myself. I may do it again, though I’ll try not to.

    It’s an error, a mistake. It’s OK to say something is wrong.

    -dlj.

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    • shaunyshaun -  April 2, 2015 - 11:15 am

      It’s not a mistake if you allow space for growth..

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    • jennef -  April 2, 2015 - 11:33 am

      Spoken like a true Welshman !

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    • Frank Casale -  April 2, 2015 - 11:58 am

      David, you don’t have to be apologetic! It takes a person of character to admit mistakes. Do it right next time around- that philosophy has always worked for me.

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    • Anmethist -  April 2, 2015 - 1:09 pm

      Thanks, David.

      Nothing wrong, with saying something wrong.

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    • Andressa A. -  April 2, 2015 - 1:34 pm

      I think that Dictionary.com works with modern Linguistics. I am studying Linguistics in my university in Brazil. For us linguists, if there are people who say “something” in their day to day lives and are understood by other people who speak the same language, then you can’t say that “something” is “wrong”. It is simply a variation of the standard language which is taught in schools. ;)

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      • Uwe -  June 16, 2016 - 1:49 pm

        I respectfully disagree (a bit) here: If everybody says it wrong, does it make it right? “Something” would still be wrong according to the rule book. Now, if for that group of people a different rule book exists, “something” may become correct. The prime example here is American English vs. British English.
        And the border between “something” being wrong or being part of a new rule book is obviously fluent. But most people wouldn’t accept a wrong “something” as being correct just because any subgroup of people understands it.

        To make my point: I am not a native English speaker, and as every student of a foreign language knows, there are terms and phrases that you form, which are wrong based on the English language rules, but your fellow students – having the same linguistic background and the same thought patterns – understand you. And most native speakers understand you, too, often from the context. But that doesn’t make it right, that “something” is still wrong.

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    • Everett -  April 2, 2015 - 5:49 pm

      David, they said it had no canonized meaning in standard English (translates to ‘it’s wrong’). They pointed out a couple of relevant humorous uses of the modified phrase, which I found interesting, but I thought the article was clear on which was correct.

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    • Oladele -  April 2, 2015 - 11:26 pm

      Yes. I agree with David. A spade is not a garden spoon, it is just a spade. Mute point is grammatically wrong unless we want to introduce it to English grammar through the back door!

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    • Scott -  April 3, 2015 - 2:32 am

      You’re right, David. The writer obfuscates the issue.

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    • ABourgeois -  April 3, 2015 - 5:35 am

      “…mute point has no canonized meaning in Standard English. However, it’s easy to imagine how this might make sense in some contexts, and perhaps that’s why it’s so frequently confused with moot point.”

      Pointing out that something has no meaning is a way of establishing that it is “wrong”. Js lol

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    • jefferyDodge -  April 4, 2015 - 10:19 am

      There was no hesitancy that I could see. WordFact clearly stated that the “correct phrase is ‘moot point’”. The discussion was nothing more than speculation as to why people get it wrong.

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  29. ElecManPoweredUp -  March 31, 2015 - 6:12 pm

    moot

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    • Lol -  April 19, 2015 - 7:02 pm

      Oh say some moor that just ‘moot’ will ya!

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      • lila -  November 19, 2015 - 2:00 pm

        lmao :)

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